"If we are told one male has transitioned and the other has not, we would be able to reliably pick out which is the transitioned male and which male has not transitioned."
Bing bang boom. Simple. "The word means what it conveys."
I get complaining about definition distortion ("liberal", "fascist", "literally"), I lament that all the time and how it leads to "talking past each other". But this is clearly in a different category. I learned through the comments on your article here that it's not a semantic debate as much as it is a semantic tactic for saying "actually you're just crazy" in a roundabout way.
But I suppose there is a sliver of merit to the idea behind this "transition doesn't exist" rhetoric you're arguing against (at risk of lumping myself in with those very impolite comments). You describe transition as the sum of several practical but inexact changes — inasmuch, it's not like "graduating" where there's a single official date where one moment you're not and the next you are. It's more like becoming an adult. I imagine a lot of people who consider transitioning are hoping for a distinct moment where they're "fixed"/"cured", but looking at it that way is probably unhealthy. Transition is necessarily defined by something else (certain % of people assume a different gender, or you have a different gut reaction when looking in the mirror). Those criteria being different for various people, and relying on subjective or impractical-to-measure metrics, the existence of gender transition is definitely fuzzy around the edges.
He's mad because I ripped him apart by asking a simple question, then pointed out that he cannot answer it.
You're right. Mental illness exists. "Trans" does not. He can't admit that because it would prove his life is a waste and he's a pathetic man. But, due to male ego, he cannot.
I already defined it for you and explained multiple times how it's not circular but your Big TERF Brain is incapable of appreciating the logical distinction between these two definitions:
(1) "Trans" means anyone who is trans (circular)
(2) Trans refers to the collective community of people who utter the words "I am trans" when asked "Are you are trans?", which picks out a definite subset of people in the world.
A definition like (2) doesn't work for "woman" because woman is a biological construct referencing a mind-independent fact. But trans is quintenssially a socio-cultural phenomenon, and therefore this style of definition is perfectly appropriate because it captures the socially constructed nature of the phenomenon and provides a unifying definition for nonbinary and those who medicalize.
You were male in your poor, sad mother before she gave birth to you (unfortunately), you were male at birth, you were male when you stuffed estrogen into your male body, and you’re male now even when you stopped taking it.
The irrational, sad male ego is a pathetic thing to behold. This is why male rapists are in women’s prisons, males demand to play women’s sports, and males destroy the world.
You’re being put in your place. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Stop being so irrational.
You’re emotional because you got ripped apart and schooled by a TERF. Go cry.
Humans exist and reproduce through two sexes, female and male. Those are binary and immutable, no matter how your irrational male mind tells you otherwise, what ridiculous legal documents tell a lie, or how you dress up.
There’s nothing you can do. You got humiliated. Just don’t go a shooting spree.
And btw, you look fucking ridiculous trying to pass as a female with the makeup and hair. I bet you thought you looked amazing, and nobody said anything to you because society is expected to tiptoe around male stupidity.
"If we are told one male has transitioned and the other has not, we would be able to reliably pick out which is the transitioned male and which male has not transitioned."
Bing bang boom. Simple. "The word means what it conveys."
I get complaining about definition distortion ("liberal", "fascist", "literally"), I lament that all the time and how it leads to "talking past each other". But this is clearly in a different category. I learned through the comments on your article here that it's not a semantic debate as much as it is a semantic tactic for saying "actually you're just crazy" in a roundabout way.
But I suppose there is a sliver of merit to the idea behind this "transition doesn't exist" rhetoric you're arguing against (at risk of lumping myself in with those very impolite comments). You describe transition as the sum of several practical but inexact changes — inasmuch, it's not like "graduating" where there's a single official date where one moment you're not and the next you are. It's more like becoming an adult. I imagine a lot of people who consider transitioning are hoping for a distinct moment where they're "fixed"/"cured", but looking at it that way is probably unhealthy. Transition is necessarily defined by something else (certain % of people assume a different gender, or you have a different gut reaction when looking in the mirror). Those criteria being different for various people, and relying on subjective or impractical-to-measure metrics, the existence of gender transition is definitely fuzzy around the edges.
Mental illness exists.
That's not a counterargument, but I appreciate your comment.
Indeed it does. "Attention whore" isn't in the DSM, though. This man is far too impressed with himself. And trans isn't real.
That’s not an argument
He's mad because I ripped him apart by asking a simple question, then pointed out that he cannot answer it.
You're right. Mental illness exists. "Trans" does not. He can't admit that because it would prove his life is a waste and he's a pathetic man. But, due to male ego, he cannot.
Thereby proving my point.
I already defined it for you and explained multiple times how it's not circular but your Big TERF Brain is incapable of appreciating the logical distinction between these two definitions:
(1) "Trans" means anyone who is trans (circular)
(2) Trans refers to the collective community of people who utter the words "I am trans" when asked "Are you are trans?", which picks out a definite subset of people in the world.
A definition like (2) doesn't work for "woman" because woman is a biological construct referencing a mind-independent fact. But trans is quintenssially a socio-cultural phenomenon, and therefore this style of definition is perfectly appropriate because it captures the socially constructed nature of the phenomenon and provides a unifying definition for nonbinary and those who medicalize.
"Trans is a group who say they're trans!"
Men shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Wow, you're so edgy!
You literally do not understand how words, language, and reality work.
Troons and their defenders cannot argue their way out of a paper bag.
And that's why you will lose.
"Trans" does not exist. Thank you for proving it, sir.
Define "troon."
Trans is all
Lies!
They know it deep down , which is why they’re always so defensive and why they invented all the stupid terms like “ transphobia “, TERF, etc!
Not all men are in on this.. it’s only the trans” women” who are upholding this dangerous ideology!
“Trans” does not exist.
“Transition” does not occur.
You were male in your poor, sad mother before she gave birth to you (unfortunately), you were male at birth, you were male when you stuffed estrogen into your male body, and you’re male now even when you stopped taking it.
The irrational, sad male ego is a pathetic thing to behold. This is why male rapists are in women’s prisons, males demand to play women’s sports, and males destroy the world.
You’re being put in your place. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Stop being so irrational.
TERFism has destroyed your ability to think clearly. Sad.
TERFs are winning. That’s why it’s so easy to humiliate you.
There’s nothing you can do, and you know it.
“Trans” does not exist.
Get a job, Ray. Your life is a waste.
You are a walking talking case study in the Dunning-Kruger effect. It’s quite fascinating, actually.
Oh look another man shitting on the terfs
Shitty arguments deserve to be shat on.
LOL
What is “trans”?
“Trans” is anyone who says he’s “trans”!
Pure Y chromosome logic right there!
Sad moids like you are so easily triggered.
Men shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
He’s butthurt because he got humiliated and schooled by a TERF.
He’s an illogical male with no ability to feel shame at his low IQ and poor language abilities.
He’s male, he always was male, he will always be male.
There is no such thing as “transition.”
It doesn’t occur, and “trans” does not exist.
Good job not responding to any of the actual arguments I make in this article 👍
You don’t have arguments, Ray.
You can’t even define “trans.”
No one can. It doesn’t exist.
Transition does not occur.
You’re emotional because you got ripped apart and schooled by a TERF. Go cry.
Humans exist and reproduce through two sexes, female and male. Those are binary and immutable, no matter how your irrational male mind tells you otherwise, what ridiculous legal documents tell a lie, or how you dress up.
There’s nothing you can do. You got humiliated. Just don’t go a shooting spree.
And btw, you look fucking ridiculous trying to pass as a female with the makeup and hair. I bet you thought you looked amazing, and nobody said anything to you because society is expected to tiptoe around male stupidity.
Like I said, men shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Don’t you have better things to do than endlessly repeat yourself while simultaneously not saying anything substantial?